zero tolerance for misinformation

I could see myself living in Ireland some day.  Anyone?

Pray for them!

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10 thoughts on “zero tolerance for misinformation

  1. Stumbled upon your post through another blog a while ago, and it caught my eye as Ireland is my adopted home (my husband is Irish), although at the moment we’re living in Turkey. In light of a recent case in Ireland, this advertisement is, unfortunately, not completely true. A young woman died two weeks ago in an Irish hospital because she developed septicaemia during a two-day long miscarriage and was not granted an abortion that would have saved her life. This may not change anyone’s view on abortion, but I just thought since the advert was about ‘zero tolerance for misinformation’ I would share.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/savita-death-abortion-x-case-ireland-673744-Nov2012/

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/pregnant-woman-died-after-hospital-denied-abortion-3293842.html

    • joanallegretti says:

      Thanks, Kim– I hadn’t heard of the story and I’m grateful you’ve brought it to my attention. I do think I’m going to withhold judgment for now– I’m not getting all the details and at least one doctor is saying that abortion probably wouldn’t have saved her life. It is a tragic story, and it will be interesting to see how this affects policy in Ireland. Although it is the policy that abortions are allowed to save the life of the mother in Ireland, and I’m not sure this is a case that should completely overturn Ireland’s abortion policy, or if instead the investigation that has begun will affect that way that allowance plays out in real life. There’s a lot that can be said about abortions “to save the life of the mother,” that doesn’t belong in a combox, though, so I’ll end there. : ) But thanks for sharing this — I’m going to be following the case closely now.

      • Hello again, and sorry for the delayed response! I just wanted to add, in reference to your mention of the ‘policy’ in Ireland, that effectively, there is no policy at the moment. In 1992 there was a Supreme Court ruling (in the X Case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_General_v._X) in favour of a 14-year-old rape victim, allowing her to obtain an abortion in the UK. She was suicidal as a result of her assault and pregnancy, so the ruling was in favour of protecting the life and health of the mother. Even though that was 20 years ago, no government has actually passed legislation on the matter, which is what many people are now demanding as a result of the current case. A law expert did say that an abortion would have been allowable in the Savita case as per the earlier Supreme Court ruling, but without actual laws on the books, doctors aren’t in a position to really implement that ruling.

        Anyway, here’s an editorial explaining a bit of the background of the X Case and what’s happened since: http://www.irishexaminer.com/features/x-case-and-the-letter-of-the-law-184761.html

        Sorry, this comment ended up a bit longer than I intended!

      • joanallegretti says:

        Thanks, Kim! I spoke to a good priest friend of mine – he is originally from Ireland and was an ob-gyn for many years in Ireland, England, and Pakistan before becoming a priest later in life. He pointed out that since we know so little about the case, it’s possible that she was already in labor (we spoke about many descriptive things I won’t go into detail here) and if that was the case, delivering the child– essentially speeding up labor– would not have been an induced abortion. He also mentioned that if the uterine sac was filled with pus, that should have been discharged — it would have meant the death of the baby, but that wouldn’t have been the intent of the procedure and thus would have been morally sound. So in both of those cases, it wouldn’t have been “induced abortion” even though the baby would not have survived.

        These are solid medical ethical questions, and right now we don’t know much about what was actually happening in the woman’s body. I appreciate the news and I am going to keep following the story as it progresses. It’s such a tragedy. I just hope this woman isn’t being used as a pawn to push abortion in Ireland.

        There is “policy” in Ireland — it’s that abortion is illegal. Since it very well could be that things should have been done for this woman that didn’t entail an induced abortion, it seems that the hospital was more at fault than the policy of the country. Getting a law on the books would be important, although ethics is such a precise practice, a law would have to be written very carefully. Look at how “health of the mother” is interpreted in this country– it’s a catch-all for anyone who wants to procure the abortion.

      • Well, you’re right of course, there is policy. I should have been clearer and said there is no policy on the books in relation to what the Supreme Court have deemed a woman’s constitutional right in these matters. And thanks for the link. The article was interesting and it’s good to have another source of news in this story in addition to the Irish papers. It’s obviously important to the international Indian community and I know that many friends from the UK are closely following the story too. I guess all that’s to be done now is to wait for more details and see how every plays out. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to respond to my comments 🙂

      • joanallegretti says:

        And thanks for taking the time to comment! This is what is supposed to happen when things like this happen… everyone is supposed to take time and dialogue and listen to the facts and discuss the various sides of the problem. It’s too bad that in our political climate these days more time is spent name-calling and demonizing rather than actually conversing about the important issues! Thanks, Kim!

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